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 Post subject: Overpowering Jesus
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:27 am 
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WMB had a strange view of Jesus. I recommend everyone do a quick study of Gnosticism, and you'll be surprised to find how much of this pagan belief system was integrated into the words of WMB. (http://www.gnosis.org/gnintro.htm)

Gnostics believe that the good one and the evil one were one day equal, created by God. It is mixed all through the dead sea scrolls, that were being translated to English during WMB's ministry. The good one and the evil one were not eternal. WMB taught this throughout his ministry.
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See, there cannot be an Eternal son, because a son had to have a beginning. And so Jesus had a beginning. God had no beginning. See?
("Q and A on Hebrews, Part II," 10/2/57, COD, page 273)


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How can He be an eternal son, when eternity never began or never ends? And a son is something that is begotten of.
("Is This The Time," 12/30/62, V-2, N-11, page 36-7)


When you consider that WMB taught that the church age messengers (having set himself up as one of them) had eternal life, and Jesus did not have eternal life, it borders the line of blasphemy.
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I tell you, brother, the devil can whoop you around the stumps on how you felt when you got it. Somebody said, "I feel good, the reason I know I got It." Now, that's not the reason I know I got It. The reason I know I've met God's condition and the devil can't tramp on the Word of God. It's THUS SAITH THE LORD. That's it. Upon the basis of the promise of God, I've met God conditions and know I have Eternal Life. That's the way every believer does it, 'cause he's met God's conditions and the requirements that was laid down to him. Oh, my.
54-1203 THE.LAW.HAVING.A.SHADOW_


So my question again would be this: Was WMB setting himself for power, like David Koresh, James Jones, and others, or did he simply have "accidental blasphemy?"
Second question to ask yourselves: After reading this, why do you think God called WMB off the scene?



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 Post subject: Re: Overpowering Jesus
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:52 am 

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seekthetruth wrote:
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How can He be an eternal son, when eternity never began or never ends? And a son is something that is begotten of.
("Is This The Time," 12/30/62, V-2, N-11, page 36-7)

So my question again would be this: Was WMB setting himself for power, like David Koresh, James Jones, and others, or did he simply have "accidental blasphemy?"
Second question to ask yourselves: After reading this, why do you think God called WMB off the scene?


The way I view Bro Branham's teaching is that there isn't something else that is eternal outside of God Himself. I have been challenged so much by John Kennah lately on reading the bible literally.... thus if Jesus Christ is the Son of God, then how do you have a "Son" be eternal and the Father be eternal too? I think that is what WMB is getting at. Not that Jesus Christ would not of had eternal life. This really gets down to the meaning of "the only begotten Son". I am told it means the "uniquely begun one". So the question is how do we reconcile a "begun one" with "eternal" which had no beginning and no end. That is what those quotes were speaking to in my opinion.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


Remember Christ, the Son, was the firstfruits of many.

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Second question to ask yourselves: After reading this, why do you think God called WMB off the scene?


Not entirely comfortable answering this question to be honest... but one idea that comes to mind is that people were getting further and further into idolatry while he remained living. "He must increase, I must decrease". Unfortunately with WMB still on the scene, people where not allowing him to "decrease". (This is completly just my opinion as I don't want to pretend to know why God would have taken him off the scene.)


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