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 Post subject: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:02 am 
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Rev. Branham also studied the Lamsa translation and even claimed to know the translator. The problem? Branham considered Lamsa to be a great man, and believed him with all his heart.

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I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Lamsa, today, the translator of the Lamsa translation of the Bible. And such a privilege... You know, I would rather you'd give me a little rosebud, right now, than a whole wreath after I'm gone. I think maybe he'd think the same thing. I certainly can prescribe to his translation, for meeting him and finding such a lovely spirit of a real true Christian believer. God bless his gallant soul. I don't know as I've ever met any more spiritual man than Dr. Lamsa. May the Lord richly bless him.
60-0401E THE.QUEEN.OF.SHEBA

He claimed that Lamsa told him the pyramid sign was the sign of God, which could have led to Branham believing that the pyramid was a ‘bible’ of old.

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Moses' sign, that he saw, was God in cosmic light. And then when He did that...
And does anybody know the old Hebrew sign, even before there was a Bible written? Was a triangle shape, or an oval shape of a cosmic light, exactly right, the Logos. Now, Doctor Lamsa has that in his Bible, on the cover on the outside.
64-0214 THE.VOICE.OF.THE.SIGN

When that great man, Doctor Lamsa, the translation of the Lamsa Bible, when he said that morning when I told him that, I said--I said, "What's that sign?"
He said, "That's God's ancient sign in the Hebrew: God, one God in three attributes."
I said, "Such as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?"
He stopped, and he set his cup of coffee down; he looked at me. Gene, believe you was there, Leo. Said, "You believe that?"
I said, "With all my heart."
60-0515E ADOPTION.1

Did you ever see the Lamsa translation of the Bible, the old... The--the old Hebrew sign of--of God is a triangle Light; more or less, something like that, that the three attributes of God, in one Godhead. And this triangled Light, the three in One, being one God, was a--a sign to the Hebrew, of God, Light.
63-1201M AN.ABSOLUTE

I said, "No, sir. I am not the Oneness. I believe in God being the Almighty God, and the three attributes are only three offices that the one God lived in."
He said, "Bless your heart." He said, "Someday you'll pour your blood upon the earth for that," but said, "prophets always die for their cause."
And I said, "So let it be, if it pleases my Lord." The translation of the Lamsa Bible...
60-0515E ADOPTION.1

Branham not only respected Lamsa, the feeling was mutual. They shared a similar belief system, and it involved mysticism and Gnosticism.

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There's no such a thing as three persons in one God." And if that isn't Brother Lamsa, Doctor Lamsa, the translator of the Lamsa Bible, which is a bosom friend to Eisenhower and all the great diplomats of the world, and everything else, throwed his arms around me, said, "Someday they'll shoot you for that." But said, "Remember, all those people die for a cause."
60-0522M ADOPTION

The other night when I met Dr. Lamsa, of the Lamsa Bible, he said, "What's the matter with these American people?"
Said, "I don't know." Seventy percent of the Bible is vision, yet they can't believe.
60-0708 SIR.WE.WOULD.SEE.JESUS


Branham also used the Lamsa ideas to embellish his story about the cloud formation.

Now, in the heavens above. Did you notice I'm looking on this, the--the Light on the picture there out of the Life Magazine, that the brother that lives here in this home has put on his wall, that triangle of Light.

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I just happened to run across my mind. If any of you have the Lamsa Bible translation, if you'll notice over the cover of it, is a triune, trinitarian light, a three-cornered light like a halo. And when Dr. Lamsa, a friend, my personal friend, was translating the Bible, that is the old Hebrew symbol of God in the true trinitarian way that He is; not three Gods, but three manifestations of the same God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Light is one complete circle of Light in a triangle shape, which means that God will dwell in three offices, the Fatherhood, Sonship, and Holy Ghost dispensation, all the same God.
64-0112 SHALOM


In Branham’s book, An Exposition of the Seven Church Ages, Lamsa is praised in the very first chapter.

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Now not only is what I have just said true, but let us go a step further. Today we have some students who claim that the original manuscripts were written in the Aramaic which was the language of Jesus and the people of His day. It is claimed by them that the people did not speak and write in the Greek as is so commonly supposed. And the fact is our historians are divided on that. For example, Dr. Schonfield, a most brilliant student has from research proved to his satisfaction that the New Testament was written in the vernacular of the Greek speaking people of that day. He builds up a fine case for his beliefs, based on the various documents at his disposal. But on the other hand we have another renowned student, Dr. Lamsa, who is convinced that the New Testament was written in the Aramaic and he has none other than the brilliant historian, Toynbee, to back up his contention that the Aramaic, and NOT THE GREEK was the language of the people, so it seems possible that the New Testament was first written in the Aramaic.

However, before we get too concerned about this, let us read both the King James version and the translation by Dr. Lamsa. To our gratification we find the words in both amazingly the same so that there is no difference actually in content or doctrine. We may even conclude that God has allowed these newly discovered manuscripts and recent publications of already known scripts to come before us to prove the authenticity of what we already had. And we find that though translators may fight each other, scripts do not.
THE.REVELATION.OF.JESUS.CHRIST - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK


The George Lamsa translation is from the Aramaic language, and he believed the original texts were Aramaic and later changed to Greek. There is no evidence to support this.

Paul studied under Gamaliel who was the grandson of Hillel. Paul was well versed in the Greek language and philosophy. He did not speak to roman rulers in Aramaic.

In 250 B.C., the Hebrew Scriptures were translated to Greek. The New Testament is written in Koine Greek (common Greek), and Greek is the dominant language in the New Testament.

George Lamsa was a man who studied the psychic phenomenon, which made for a good fit for Branham’s studies. He also denied the Trinity, which is why his translation is popular among various cult followings. He had a Gnostic view of the Holy Spirit, believing that it was more of an influence or power.

Like most cult leaders, Lamsa believed that he had the only divine interpretation of the scriptures, and that this original truth was required.

Note some of the differences between the King James Version and Lamsa:


Mathew 24:7

King James Bible : Jesus says: "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
Lamsa Bible: Jesus says: "My God, My God, for this I was spared [kept in some versions]!"

Ephesians 6:12

King James Version Bible, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Lamsa: "For your conflict is not only with flesh and blood, but also with the angels, and with powers, with the rulers of this world of darkness, and with the evil spirits under the heaven".

Mathew 19:24

King James Version Bible "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle..."
Lamsa: "It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle"

Luke 14:25

NIV: "If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters, yes even his own life, he can not be My disciple".

Lamsa: "He who comes to Me and does not put aside his father and his mother and his brothers and his sisters and his wife and his children and even his own life can not be a disciple to me".



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:55 am 
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Interesting fact I just came across. This false version of the Bible was first published in 1933...



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Gearge Lamsa is a Kurd, not a Jew. He is a member of A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment) which s a psychic institute. He belongs to a heretical sect. He is into gnosticism, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:17 am 
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The more I study this, the more sick to my stomach I get.

These words pretty much say it all:
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let us read both the King James version and the translation by Dr. Lamsa. To our gratification we find the words in both amazingly the same so that there is no difference actually in content or doctrine. We may even conclude that God has allowed these newly discovered manuscripts and recent publications of already known scripts to come before us to prove the authenticity of what we already had. And we find that though translators may fight each other, scripts do not.
THE.REVELATION.OF.JESUS.CHRIST - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK

Many of this forum have tried to point out the many places where WMB deviates from the scriptures, but all of us debate as to the reason WHY he deviated. After studying just the surface of this lamsa doctrine, all false teachings are explained. Lamsa believed almost exactly what WMB believed.

There is a very good writeup on the Lamsa Bible here: http://www.equip.org/articles/george-m-lamsa/



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
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I took a quick look at a couple of differences and they are not accurate.

Did you actually go to the Lamsa Bible and look them up?

I am not defending Lamsa but I think you have to be very accurate if you are attacking a Bible transation.



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:00 pm 
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Good catch.

I came across several that were doing the same thing that were exact comparisons, but accidentally copied the generalizations. Some posted above were exact and some were generalizations based on other scriptures. I removed all that were generalizations for now until I review.

There are several comparison sites on the internet -- seems as though there have been a few scholarly people trapped into cults that have started websites dedicated to showing others the false teachings of this version.



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
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From one of these sites,

The most disturbing feature of the Lamsa Bible is that he often allows his theology and opinions to dictate his renderings. For example, he does not believe that people personally live after death, so he inserts the word "death" in places the writer used "sleep" (1 Cor. 15:6,18,20).

He also denied the deity of Christ:

Heb 7:3
KJV: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Lamsa: Neither his father or mother is recorded in the genealogies; and neither the beginning of his days nor the end of his life; but, like the Son of God, his priesthood abides forever.



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:12 am 
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OK, so turns out those examples that were previously removed in the original post were accurately portraying Lamsa's interpretation of the scriptures. Each quote taken was from a book entitled: "Idioms in the Bible Explained and a Key to the Original Gospels" Copyrighted in 1931.

There are literally HUNDREDS of these in the book, many as we've been taught by WMB and are finding conflict with other scriptures that come from greek translations. What I haven't yet found is what translation Lamsa used for the Old Testament, but many of these "idioms" are teachings of Kaballah.

Bible = John 1:18 = No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Lamsa's interpretation = "The first one who recognized the fatherhood of God. The only God-like man; hence, a spiritual Son of God"


Bible= Gen.1:3 "Let there be light"

Lamsa's interpretation ="Let there be enlightenment

Bible=Gen.2:9 "Tree of life in the midst of the Garden"

Lamsa interpretation = Sex , posterity

Bible= Gen.5:24 God took Enoch (Heb.11:5 States expressly he did not see death)

Lamsa interpretation= He died painlessly, he had a heart attack

Bible=Gen.3:24 wrestling with the angel of the Lord

Lamsa interpretation = Being suspicious of a pious person

Bible=Ex.3:2 the burning bush not consumed

Lamsa interpretation = difficulties ahead difficulties will be overcome

Bible= Ex.3:5 Take off your shoes for you are on Holy ground.

Lamsa interpretation =Disregard pagan teachings, cleanse your heart

Bible= John 1 the word was God

Lamsa interpretation = the word is - a utterance, a command

Bible= John 1:18 the only begotten son

Lamsa interpretation= The first one who recognized the fatherhood of God. The only God-like man; hence, a spiritual son of God.

Bible= John 3:3 Born again

Lamsa interpretation= to become like a child, to start all over.

Bible=Jn.10:36 I and my father are one
Lamsa interpretation = the father and I agree.

Bible= 1 Thess. 4:17 to meet him in the air

Lamsa interpretation = to hasten to greet him

Bible= Rev.1:18 was dead and behold I am Alive forevermore.

Lamsa interpretation= I was unknown and now I am well and successful



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 Post subject: Re: Lamsa and the Gnostic Connection
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The most troubling ones for me are those that place Jesus as a separate, somewhat lesser being than God. WMB found this very appealing, making Jesus a man filled with the holy spirit like a. . . .prophet.


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lamsa used the Peshitta, an Aramaic text.


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